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I always try to respect PZ's blog, stay on topic and not spend needless time on endless petty personal arguments. Our organization's guidance council asked me to address that issue on our website, open to all. We put this here to be responsible and so we don't needlessly waste time off topic on PZ's site. In the examples I have collected below there are many other commenters requesting that StevoR drop the personal grudgematches and stick to the topic which PZ prescribed. (for the sake of being concise I've not posted all of them here) StevoR'S RESPONSE TO MY COMMENT ON: https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2025/05/18/stop-letting-creationists-host-your-ideas/ |
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StevoR 21 May 2025 at 7:27 am @35. shermanj : I have gotten angry and tired of @33 StevoR’s many ongoing vicious, petty, personal accusations and attacks of others here. What attacks exactly? -- SHERMAN J REPLIES: SEE 9 EXAMPLES OF YOUR PERSONAL ATTACKS ON BEHOLDER ALONE BELOW -- I reject your mischaracterisation of me consistently holding one Trump enabling commenter here – beholder – accountable for their actions that they would rather everyone just forgot and asking questions to their defender Silentbob – here. I presume that’s what you refer to? -- SHERMAN J REPLIES: YES. SEE 9 EXAMPLES OF YOUR PERSONAL ATTACKS ON BEHOLDER ALONE BELOW -- If you think you are angry at me for that, well, I can assure you it’s nowhere near as angry and disappointed as I am about their conduct prior to the last – both senses of word – USoA election in solely attacking the Democratic party whilst ignoring the blatant Fascism of the ONLY alternative and voting in effect for Trump whilst excusing that by faux ultra-progressivism and support for a Putin supporting spoiler who also spoiled the 2016 election and helped Trump win then. I don’t consider that a “petty” matter or one where calling it out is “vicious” or “personal.” Do you think my ”attacks” are unjustified as you imply? If so, why? -- SHERMAN J REPLIES: YES. BECAUSE THEY ARE EXCESSIVELY PERSONAL AND EXCESSIVE IN NUMBER AND THEY DETRACT FROM THE TOPIC OF DISCOURSE ESTABLISHED BY THE AUTHOR OF THE BLOG: PZ Do you think beholder should be treated as a serious and reasonable and credible commenter here after this deceptive and unethical conduct which has resulted in the actual fucking death of the USA as we have known it with all the consequences to Climate, Democracy, the global rise of Reichwing extremism and yes, Gaza too that have and will ensue? -- SHERMAN J REPLIES: IT IS NOT YOUR PLACE TO DECIDE WHO IS A COMMENTER HERE. REGARDLESS OF WHETHER BEHOLDER IS CREDIBLE OR NOT, THAT IS PZ'S PREROGATIVE. DON'T BE SO ARROGANT. Especially given beholders refusal to reflect on and apologise and face the results of their actions which I feel safe in presuming went beyond just this blog as well. Australia has some great people, like Barry Kauler. I haven’t heard of him. Will have to look him up. -- SHERMAN J REPLIES: BARRY KAULER IS THE WORLD RENOWNED CREATOR OF THE PUPPY FAMILY OF LINUX DISTRIBUTIONS USED BY TENS OF THOUSANDS OF COMPUTER USERS. But, StevoR needs to admit Australia’s government is as evil and corrupt as he accuses others of being: Well, I don’t think that’s true. As evil and corrupt as Trump? As Putin’s Russia? As who exactly? I do agree Australia’s current Albanese government has been disappointing and wish they would come out stringer against what the genocide in Gaza and take far better actions and have far better policies on Global Overheating and refugees but I do NOT see my current govt as anywhere near as bad as Trump’s etc .. There is a spectrum and relative better and worse here. -- SHERMAN J REPLIES: I SAID YOU ACCUSE OTHERS AND I DIDN'T NAME TRUMP. AND IF YOU READ THE ARTICLE I QUOTED, IT IS NOT JUST A MATTER OF 'DISAPOINTMENT' IS THE FACT THAT THE AUSTRALIAN GOV'T IS PROVIDING MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF WEAPONS TO KILL INNOCENT CIVILIANS; THAT CANNOT BE DEFENDED BY ANY PERSON WITH A MORAL COMPASS. Even if I did “admit” / agree with you on the relative evil of my govt; what has that got to do with calling out beholder for their actions and words here – separate issues I’d say. If you disagree, well, why so? StevoR 21 May 2025 at 7:59 am @ ^ For the record I voted for the Australian Greens last election – earlier this month – putting the ALP (the current governing party) 2nd. Something which I could do without risking the very worst of the worst taking power because we have a preferential voting system here in Oz. Something I’ve noted before and noted that it or a similar type of reform to remove third party spoilers from being, well, spoilers in the USoA. If Iwas unfortunate enough to be an Amercian I would’ve voted for Kamala Harris and done absolutley everything I could have done to see that she and NOT Treump had been elected. Also for clarity : I wish they would come out stringer stronger against what the genocide in Gaza.. The “what” left in after editing my original sentence version was my fault but baffled the Word spellcheck didn’t catch the mispelling of “stronger.” . EXAMPLE 1 OF 9 ATTACKS ON BEHOLDER BY STEVOR https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2025/05/20/dear-god-shes-the-secretary-of-homeland-security/#comments @34 StevoR 20 May 2025 at 11:55 pm @21. Trump enabler and in reality Trump voter beholder : “This country would be better off if that entire department and all of its agencies were dissolved.” This country and the entire planet would have been vastly better off under a Kamala Harris administration. There’s no doubt of that – there never was. We all know that. Yet pre-election you did everything you could to discourage people voting for the Democratic party & Kamala Harris. You then in practice, in reality, in effect voted for Trump. So you are seeing the results that YOU, beholder, voted for here. Kristi Noem is Secretary of Homeland Security because of you and your choices and I and others warned you of this at the time. There is blood on your hands beholder. Whether you face and accept that reality personally or not.There is. @35 Silentbob 21 May 2025 at 12:44 am Fuck’s sake Stevo! Do you have any relatives you can contact to stage an intervention? This degree of obsession is not healthy dude. :-/ @36 StevoR 21 May 2025 at 5:55 am @ ^ Silentbob : Says you who have spent years obsessively attacking John Morales here. I notice you have failed to answer my questions for you here : https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2025/05/16/mokele-mbembe/#comment-2265477 Also you fail to address the actual points I’ve raised regarding beholder’s conduct here – & very likely elsewhere which has resulted ultimately in, well, see title of OP here. - - - - >EXAMPLE 2 OF 9 ATTACKS ON BEHOLDER BY STEVOR below in reference to this: @6 beholder 11 May 2025 at 10:20 am @24 StevoR 12 May 2025 at 5:55 am @ 6. Trump de facto voter and enabler beholder : Yet again attacking the Democratic party and ignoring the Repug one I see. Why is no one surprised. This ain’t about Obama and he ain’t the POTUS now – more ‘s the pity. Obama was a vastly better POTUS than Trump who has already metastasised into a full blown Fascist Despot. As predicted by people now proven right who fucking well warned you beforehand. Just wondering but has anyone here ever seen this Trump-assisting troll focus on attacking the actually fascist party in US politcis and its now emergent dictator? Even once? Beholder, you really are scum with blood drenched hands and are the ethical and political equivalent of something toxic and stinking that gets scraped off a shoe. - - - - EXAMPLE 3 OF 9 ATTACKS ON BEHOLDER BY STEVOR @31 StevoR 12 May 2025 at 1:11 pm @ 28. Silentbob : As I’ve explained to you already about a gazillion times, beholder DID VOTE FOR TRUMP. In effect, in reality, de facto. In practice if indirectly. But did vote Trump because did NOT vote Kamala. Despite beholder trying to fool people into thinking he was a left wing progressive who actually cared about principles and what was happening – and would happen in Gaza. Attacking the candidate who wanted less genocide and more reasonable solution as opposed to the candidate we knew and has since proven wanted more & worse genocides – plural – and worse (non) solutions. Also pre-election, when things were in the balance and could be changed by changing minds beholder attacked the non-fascist party helping the fascist party. Helping Trump. Hurting Kamala Harris – the ONLY other alternative. Arguing against the non-fascist side and therefore in the binary two choices for POTUS reality helping the fascist against the non-fascist. Also as I’ve asked you before what part of this exactly do you NOT get and why do you keep defending this vile, Trump-enabling troll? Please answer although I do full expect you will do your usual refusal to answer. - - - - EXAMPLE 4 OF 9 ATTACKS ON BEHOLDER BY STEVOR https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2025/05/09/believe-me-americans-want-to-sing-the-same-song/#comments @13 StevoR 10 May 2025 at 9:54 am @10. beholder : My American brain can’t remember that many words strung together, unless it’s made into a movie. Your clearly not being utilised properly brain gave us endless attacks on the ONLY ALTERNATIVE to Trump pre-election aimed at discouraging people from doing the only thing that democratically stop him and then you went and effectively voted for Trump foisting that disgusting despot on the rest of the planet with all the horrific and incalculably grim consequences that comes with it. Metaphorically beholder you have blood on your hands and have done us all harm that is beyond estimating. No, I will not stop reminding you and others here of this truth. This needs saying. @19 StevoR 10 May 2025 at 11:18 am @ 16. Hemidactylus : So a single blog commenter offering political views in the comments section, however wrongheaded, and voting accordingly can do all that damage to the rest of the world? Yes. Last year’s election was a tight one and Kamala was robbed by voter suppression and also by third party spoilers and their voters who de facto voted Trump. beholder actively worked against Kamala and thus actively worked for Trump and should be held accountable for their actions and its consequences here. I don’t think this is the only place that the troll beholder here spread his poison and I fear there may be people including lurkers here who were affected by it. I suspect Beholder was likely part of or supported in various ways other Third Party Spoiler and anti-Kamala Harris groups such as the Abandon Biden / Harris movement – surely one of the most self-destructive to its own cause groups in history. (Wonder how they feel now seeing Genocide Don do far worse to the Palestinians than his predecessor let alone Kamala Harris ever would have done. Also Genocide Don’s crushing of anti-genocide, pro-Palestionian protests and deportation of many Arab-Americans among others. Do they now realise how badly they fouled up and what now can they do about that?) beholder is omnipotent. No, beholder is NOT omnipotent but they did do their part to help inflict Trump on the whole planet and given the magnitude of that evil, beholder needs to be made accountable and needs to face consequences. Vicar et al too. All the Purity Disunity mob who white-anted and attacked, again, the ONLY ALTERNATIVE to Trump. Vicar at least has stuck the flounce. Glad I (Hemidactylus) voted or I too would share in the blame and have blood on my hands. It is not just how beholder it is how despite our accurate warnings about what he was doing constantly attacked the Democratic party and Kamala and undermined support and unity for them. The reichwing does one thing well and that is unifying behind their candidates and party. The Left needed to do that too and could well have done so and won – had it not been for beholder and the others in the Putridity Disunity mob. Imagine how very different a Kamala Presidency would be now. Trump in jail where he belongs, Climate action, sane Health policy, sane cabinet picks and so very much more – and so many horrors averted that have already killed innocent people. I was so looking forward to Kamala as POTUS and the rarely hearing Trump’s name again after his other trials and jailing. The likes of beholder, Vicar & co robbed us all of that and so much more. What they did was unforgivable in my view. On a lighter note an Aussie is on top of the F1 pack. I checked (as one must) and he was Oz born. I still prefer Lando, Yuki, and now Kimi. Huge Piastri fan here and, yes, he was born in Melbourne, Victoria. So great to see an Ausie winning and leading the F1 championship. Pity about jack Doohan -wish he’d been given a lot more of a chance. He did after all outqualify his teammate in his last race – hope Doohan will be back in that car in five races as seems to be the plan? Unfair of Alpine to treat him as they did and for him to have had the pressure and threat of Colapinto looming over him from the start. @15. Trump enabler and de facto Trump voter beholder It didn’t take any detective work at all beholder, you have admitted what you did and everyone can go back and see that and your past behaviour here and look around at the present and see where its got us. People do care. Me, for one, but I know I’m not alone in caring and wanting you gone from here. Give it a rest already. No. Go away beholder, go rethink your life and don’t try commenting again here until you have faced what you’ve done what its cost everyone on the planet. Until you face that and at a very bare minimum admit what you did and caused and apologise I won’t let you or others forget it. EXAMPLE 5 OF 9 ATTACKS ON BEHOLDER BY STEVOR @20 StevoR 10 May 2025 at 11:21 am Clarity fix because word doesn’t fix missing words : It is not just how beholder voted. It is how – despite our accurate warnings about what they was doing and its consequences – beholder constantly attacked the Democratic party and Kamala and undermined support and unity for them and encouraged attacks onthem and NOT Trump and his fascists. EXAMPLE 6 OF 8 ATTACKS ON BEHOLDER BY STEVOR @26 StevoR 10 May 2025 at 9:15 pm @7. John Morales : Dóh! Missed that youhad shared that link already, sorry. @Trump de facto voter and enabler beholder : You lie as usual. You did de facto vote for Trump as I have already explained. You will be remidne d iof it and face the consequences for it. You do have metaphorical blood onyour hands and w eall sa wand remeber what you & the other Purity disunity mob jklowns and trolls did pre-election. - - - - EXAMPLE 7 OF 9 ATTACKS ON BEHOLDER BY STEVOR https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2025/05/05/humanity-is-not-fading-away/#comments @48 StevoR 6 May 2025 at 11:53 pm @43. the Trump voter and enabler beholder : Four words: Rules-based international order. Firstly, that’s three words with one of them being a hyphenated word. v More importantly, secondly, you don’t believe in international law? In rules governing how nations behave? Thirdly and finally is that why you love Trump so much and hate the Democratic party – because they actually believe in international law whereas you like Trump do not and think some nations shouldn’t be bound by international law and order? @49 Silentbob 7 May 2025 at 1:55 am @ StevoR I missed that. That can you quote where beholder said they voted for Trump. (Or alternatively, apologize for lying.) @50 Silentbob 7 May 2025 at 2:05 am @ StevoR Because as recently as a day or two ago you wrote: beholder : Your advice and work attacking Kamala Harris and de facto voting for Trump https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2025/05/03/mix-harvard-and-the-ny-times-to-get-perfect-mush/#comment-2263853 “de facto”. As in, didn’t vote Trump. Are you claiming to have new evidence, or are you lying? If lying, will you do the decent thing and apologize? EXAMPLE 8 OF 9 ATTACKS ON BEHOLDER BY STEVOR @51 StevoR 7 May 2025 at 5:55 am @ ^ Silentbob @ StevoR Because as recently as a day or two ago you wrote: beholder : Your advice and work attacking Kamala Harris and de facto voting for Trump https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2025/05/03/mix-harvard-and-the-ny-times-to-get-perfect-mush/#comment-2263853 “de facto”. As in, didn’t DID vote Trump. Are you claiming to have new evidence, or are you lying? Fixed it for you. Certainly NOT lying as you should know by now because I’ve stated it in plain simple factual; terrms often enough here.. There were two choices – Kamala or Trump. Beholder has written on the record in amuch older thread that they did NOT vote for Kamala. Therefore in the binary system the USA has they de facto,/i> voted for Trump. Beholder also regularly attacked Kamala harris and the democratic party pre-election arguing aginst them rather than doing the right and only ethical thing of unifying behind and supporting them to STOP Trump. Because there were – say it with me now- TWO AND ONLY TWO OPTIONS!!!! Yes, the USA has an extremely awful, shitty two party political system that utterly stinks. Yes that shouild change. But last year that was the genuine binary set of options. Asked you before and like many questions you have just ignored it but what part of this reality don’t you get, Silentbob? Also asked you other questions and eviscerated your responses to mine on this which you’ve ignored and one more question I’ll add tothe many youkeep ignoring – why are you defending beholder & the Putridity Disunity mob of fools that helpied fosit Trumpas tyrant onthe rest of the world? EXAMPLE 9 OF 9 ATTACKS ON BEHOLDER BY STEVOR @56 StevoR 7 May 2025 at 7:07 am @53. beholder : yes de facto – in fact – you DID vote for Trump. Unless you were lying before when you said you didn’t vote for Kamala Harris? You had two choices for POTUS beholder. Only two real actual choices. So. Did you vote for Kamala Harris or not? if not then de facto – in fact as I’ve factually stated and explained many times in the face of your denialism and refusal to acept reality you DID vote for Trump maybe indirectly but still effectively. What part of this do you think is incorrect and why? @57 Hemidactylus 7 May 2025 at 7:35 am Yeah can we stop relitigating the US election on near every other thread as to how certain posters are responsible for the outcome. This tiring bullcrap changes nothing as to the current situation. And it gets tedious to read. It’s almost as if a new law is emerging that the longer a Pharyngula thread goes the inevitability Poster A or Poster B gets blamed for Trump and explodes the reply count. You may send civilized comments to us at contact2@theartsinarizona.org entirety tm and © Copyright 2025 the Arts in Arizona All rights reserved. |